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The Moral Failure Of Veganism

widdershinsgirl:

thevaliantchild7:

freedominwickedness:

Veganism is morally bankrupt because it tries to mandate a lifestyle which is only available to the rich and then accuses the poor of “speciesism” for refusing to starve to death.

Even here in Portland — and this is one of the most vegan-friendly cities in the entire country — it is flatly impossible to achieve adequate nutrition on a vegan diet on a working class or independent student budget. I know this for a fact because I’ve been all over the Portland metropolis in search of affordable food for my friend who is deathly allergic to milk, and I’ve found that all things vegan around here are hip, trendy, and ludicrously overpriced. The only affordable option for milk-free eating is actually Asian food.

A vegan diet/lifestyle might be available to the upper class everywhere and to the middle class in most places, but it is not available to people of lesser economic means outside of a few rare places that don’t mark up vegan food with a “trendy tax”. Preachy vegans can shut the fuck up until they’re offering to buy me breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

*fails to recognize that the staples of the vegan diet (rice, beans, cheap fruit/veg, bulk whole grains, legumes, etc) are all the cheapest things at the store and some people can’t even afford animal products*

There are homeless, jobless, dumpster-diving vegans and it’s fundamentally insulting to even call it a privilege, when the grain used to make one hamburger could be, instead, used to feed 13 people.

I’m sorry, what? Where I live, which is in the middle of the breadbasket of the freaking country, “cheap” fruit and veg is starting to come in around three to four bucks a pound. The spices and oils that you need to make vegan food palatable are a separate expense, and a pretty damn big one at that.

Additionally, no, the grain to make one hamburger could NOT be used to feed 13 people, because the grain fed to cattle is functionally inedible by human beings. It’s used as cattle feed because it is unsuitable for human consumption. Silage is NOT human-edible food that is being used to feed cattle FOR TEH EVULZ. It is stuff that was never food for human beings in the first place, but ruminants can digest.

Can’t it also be made into HFCS?

Of course, vegans probably wouldn’t want a diet high in HFCS either.

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The Moral Failure Of Veganism

freedominwickedness:

Veganism is morally bankrupt because it tries to mandate a lifestyle which is only available to the rich and then accuses the poor of “speciesism” for refusing to starve to death.

Even here in Portland — and this is one of the most vegan-friendly cities in the entire country — it is flatly impossible to achieve adequate nutrition on a vegan diet on a working class or independent student budget. I know this for a fact because I’ve been all over the Portland metropolis in search of affordable food for my friend who is deathly allergic to milk, and I’ve found that all things vegan around here are hip, trendy, and ludicrously overpriced. The only affordable option for milk-free eating is actually Asian food.

A vegan diet/lifestyle might be available to the upper class everywhere and to the middle class in most places, but it is not available to people of lesser economic means outside of a few rare places that don’t mark up vegan food with a “trendy tax”. Preachy vegans can shut the fuck up until they’re offering to buy me breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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I’m starting to think that most of the white-vegan animal-rights-activist types focus so hard on animal rights because animals never refuse their help or don’t want their shit.

You’re not the first person I’ve seen this from. I totally buy it.

Animals never call them on their fake-allyship, their intersectionality fail, their directing people to writings by “allies” instead of the oppressed group, and so on.

Animals don’t want to be acknowledged as the leaders of their struggle.

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TW: rape, trivialization of rape and abuse.

alexandraerin:

Tumblr user vegasmo describes himself in his sidebar as a “vegan warrior”.

A warrior.

Someone who wages war… epic battles, good vs. evil, rebel vs. empire, small ragtag band of oppressed misfits staring down the end of the world kind of thing, you know?

It’s the same schtick as the magically persecuted Christian, the people who call themselves the Moral Majority and insist that America is a Christian nation but simultaneously act like they’re beset on all sides and only barely holding back a tide of evil. Or not holding it back because when they fail and all heck breaks loose then Jesus comes and tells everyone that they were wrong not to listen and the chosen few get to live perfect lives in perfect bodies while everyone else dies forever in a fire.

Some of us like to imagine ourselves in the role of an epic hero, a superhero, a fantasy warrior, whatever. Some people actually go so far as to try to make some kind of a stand against something or for something.

But these people, they’ve just made their lives are an elaborate roleplaying game.

And that’s what it is: a game. That’s all.

Vegasmo’s “beliefs” have three levels to them. There’s what he professes to believe, what he declares and proclaims, but that’s just part of the game.

On this level, he believes that meat is murder—genocidal murder, exactly the same as the Holocaust. On this level, he believes that animal husbandry is rape. Not like rape, but rape. It is the same thing as rape. On this level, he believes that keeping animals is slavery.

Now, I say this is the level of what he professes to believe. It’s an act. I’ll add that he probably professes it even to himself. I don’t think there’s a moment when he’s alone and laughs to himself about all those suckers who bought his act, because he’s one of the suckers. In fact, the show he puts on is for himself, because he needs to believe that he believes in something. He needs to believe that he’s righteous.

How can we tell it’s an act?

Because his response to the ongoing industrial scale atrocity he claims to believe is happening is to get in people’s faces on the internet. The atrocity only exists so he has something to accuse people of, not so he can do something about it. It only exists so he can make a distinction, so he can draw a line in the sand, so he can deliver lines that no doubt sound in his head an awful lot like a movie hero one-liner to people who embody the evil empire for him.

He does this because of his beliefs on the second level, which form the foundation of the first level. This belief is that he’s a good person, that’s he’s potentially a great person, that’s he’s special, that he had the power to wake himself up and see through the smoke and lies and look unflinchingly into the true face of the world, that he has the power to recognize evil, overcome it within himself, and confront it in others.

He needs to believe this because while he was growing up he was fed a steady diet of culture that told him this must be true about himself. After all, he’s the star of his show. He’s the one whose words he hears in his head so he must be the protagonist, the viewpoint character, the hero. How could he not be special? How could he not be be righteous?

He wasn’t always going to end up a vegan… he could have just as easily ended up a rabid pro-lifer or one of those Christian millennialists I alluded to above. He could be trying to save America from Communism. He wasn’t always going to be a vegan, but he was always going to be a hero in his own mind.

And the reason he can’t ever stop to examine his beliefs about the world and himself on either of those levels is the third level, which is not so much the foundation of the second level as it is the soggy ground into which the second level is perpetually doomed to sink, necessitating frequent patch job and frantic pumping and shoring up of the whole unstable structure.

Because even the most self-righteous, willfully oblivious person can’t get through life without occasionally noticing that other people exist on the same level as oneself and other telltale signs that one might not be as special as one first suspected. Doubt trickles in around the edges. Maybe his life isn’t grand. Maybe he’s not destined for greatness. Maybe greatness requires him to do something great rather than just proclaim something grandiose. Maybe, maybe, maybe…

…BUT WAIT! NO! SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET JUST POSTED AN ANECDOTE ABOUT BUYING A HOMELESS PERSON A CHICKEN! THERE IS NO TIME FOR DOUBT! THE TIME HAS COME FOR ACTION! THE TIME HAS COME FOR BOLDNESS AND BRAVERY AND DARING-DO!

The time has come to remind the world (himself) of how awesome vegasmo is.

“I wouldn’t have given in,” he tells us (himself). “I’m better than that. I’m a hero. This is a war, and I’m a warrior.”

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0nthebeach:

popular-slut-club:

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Okay but you all do realize if everyone went vegan we could end world hunger 10 times……. Why would you dislike someone because they don’t agree with eating animals I just I don’t…,I can’t.

And this is where you’re wrong.

Knowing that animal agriculture is wasteful, you imagine that you can fix world hunger by ending animal agriculture (not true, hunger is a problem of distribution, a problem of oppression, not a problem of simply there not being enough food to go around. Remember that in the US we have so much corn that anyone who wants to run for President is basically required to put researching how to burn it as fuel as a priority if they want to win in Iowa. Remember that the US, and western imperial powers more generally, looted and are continuing to loot (though neoliberalism, the WTO, the World Bank, the IMF) “underdeveloped” [i.e., overexploited] countries).

Thinking that you can fix world hunger by curtailing animal agriculture, your idea for how to fix it is…

everyone goes vegan, independently.

This is why you can’t win. Because you’re doing a consumer politics thing. You’re thinking that if enough people make institutionally-unsupported decisions, then under capitalism the invisible hand will create support (and remove support for what’s already happening)

Except

That decision is institutionally unsupported. Which means that the most vulnerable people don’t have the means to make it.

The meat industry is institutionally supported. It gets subsidies (and not to mention subsidies for corn unfit for human consumption). And if you really think that the response to everyone of means going vegan will be to get rid of or dramatically shrink the entrenched meat industry, instead of the meat industry digging in further  with government support and forcing meat on people who can’t choose even more than it is.

And you’re expecting people to take individual, rather than collective, action here.

Veganism, as it exists in modern western society, is a part of capitalism and cannot exist outside of it nor can it fundamentally challenge the global capitalist system that causes world hunger.

So no. You can’t solve world hunger with veganism.

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People who suggest that everyone can and should be vegans annoy me

ayiman:

selchieproductions:

I just saw someone suggest that the world would be an infinitely better place if everyone was vegan - even ‘Peruvian indigenous villages’ because we live in ‘a developed world’. In short the person is being purposely vague but ultimately suggesting making contact with uncontacted tribes in order to force them to become vegans; talk about turning the quest for global veganism into a genocide project. 

 Establishing contact with isolated tribes is a sure way to exterminate at least 50-90% of their population and if you do it in order to force a vegan lifestyle upon people who live in areas where an entirely vegan lifestyle just isn’t viable, you’d be sure to have said indigenous group entirely gone from the face of the planet in less than a year.

But at least those pesky natives wouldn’t be eating meat, am I right?

Not to mention that veganism, despite all it’s positive sides, isn’t as eco-friendly and wonderful as people would like to think; one of the reasons why the Brazilian Enawene Nawe tribe is currently being driven away from their lands is so that people can use their ancestral lands to grow soy for  vegans and the meat industry alike, while simultaneously pumping out loads of pesticides into the rivers in the area, thereby making a pescaterian tribe (the Enawene Nawe don’t eat meat) lose their main source of food as the rivers are more or less killed by the poison dumped in them.

The thing that bugs me, that always bugged me, was this complete denial of the circumstances, conditions and even the moral framework of non-western people.

Nobody thinks about the destruction of healthy ecosystems for farming, rising commodity prices in production zones (like how quinoa is too expensive for Bolivians to buy it, despite growing and relying on it for centuries), or how the adoption of westernized diets has created a public health crisis.

Then there’s the moralizing.  This universalist ideology that declares that in order to live at the apex of ethical humanity, we must all convert to veganism, which will in turn solve all manner of environmental issues and end the brutal factory farm system, praise God.

And sure, industrial-level agriculture is problematic, and the meat industry in particular is brutal.  There is something seriously wrong with how we get our food, and there is nothing wrong with frank, serious discussions about how we feed ourselves.  The way that life, labour and the environment is exploited demands serious critical examination.

But veganism is a lot more than that.  It’s a code, a way of life which derives all of it’s legitimacy and authority by uncritically appealing to Western concepts of humanity and morality.  In seeking to impose a universal, moral veganism, it’s adherents utterly fail to account for views and philosophies which exist outside of the dominant/normative power structure and, in point of fact, denies their legitimacy and worth completely.  That’s pretty fucked up and it accounts for the very real racist undertones in arguments levelled against indigenous people who hunt to support themselves.  Witness the hue and cry of the animal rights community over Newfoundland’s seal hunt, and see how many times you can pick out words like savage.

I can guarantee that I do not hunt for the reasons that these people think I hunt, and I do not approach the taking of a life in the way that these people believe I do.

And frankly, I’d rather wear real wool than something that was made with plastics.  The oil industry isn’t really known for it’s environmental stewardship, and that shit is in my backyard.

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